Someone help me redeem myself

NotToday · Post by **NotToday** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:59 pm

I made myself look like a complete idiot at work today.

For whatever reason, I thought milk was a lot more expensive and harder to come by in the UK.

Don't ask.

Correct me if I'm wrong, is real butter hard to come by over there?

Please tell me I didn't imagine the whole thing...

NotToday · Post by **NotToday** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:01 pm

I bet everyone is reading this thread laughing their butts off at me....

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:01 pm

NotToday;612993 wrote: I made myself look like a complete idiot at work today.

For whatever reason, I thought milk was a lot more expensive and harder to come by in the UK.

Don't ask.

Correct me if I'm wrong, is real butter hard to come by over there?

Please tell me I didn't imagine the whole thing...

:wah: Well I haven't been back for a year - I never had any probs - it probably was during the WW's

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:03 pm

NotToday;612993 wrote: I made myself look like a complete idiot at work today.

For whatever reason, I thought milk was a lot more expensive and harder to come by in the UK.

Don't ask.

Correct me if I'm wrong, is real butter hard to come by over there?

Please tell me I didn't imagine the whole thing...

Don't use it myself but most shops have some under the counter

NotToday · Post by **NotToday** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:04 pm

Bryn Mawr;612999 wrote: Don't use it myself but most shops have some under the counter

Maybe it's just not used as much over there ( I don't really use it myself either, but a lot of Americans do)...

I have no idea where I got the idea. I guess I saw it on a movie or something.

dubs · Post by **dubs** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:05 pm

I'm rolling about NT!......:yh_rotfl

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:06 pm

NotToday;613001 wrote: Maybe it's just not used as much over there ( I don't really use it myself either, but a lot of Americans do)...

I have no idea where I got the idea. I guess I saw it on a movie or something.

It was rationed in the cities during the war but has been freely available since the 50's

NotToday · Post by **NotToday** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:11 pm

dubs;613004 wrote: I'm rolling about NT!......:yh_rotfl

Yes, I have my days.. I can come up with some really random stuff that makes no sense... :rolleyes:

Hugh Janus · Post by **Hugh Janus** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:09 pm

It's getting to be a real problem in our inner cities. Butter dealers are springing up on all the street corners. It has even been suggested that they have been seen giving it to schoolkids, in the hope that they will become butter adicts. It is also a fact of life that we now see people openly drinking milk, without even having the decency to hide the carton in a brown paper bag. Oh how times have changed...:sneaky:

Post by **spot** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:29 pm

They're being very silly, NT. We import some from New Zealand, Denmark and Ireland and we have a domestic industry as well which probably accounts for most of what gets sold. Last I bought some it was somewhere between US$2 and 3 a pound by weight. Let me check that... £2.12 a kilo, so $1.96 a pound, from today's Tesco price.

Britain consumed 110,000 tons of the stuff in 2005, 43 per cent of the "yellow fats market". That's 4 pounds a year per head, or 1.3 ounces a week each. Not as much as I'd expected. Some of us get through that much tobacco.

Post by **spot** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:40 pm

You can be very cruel and unusual on occasion.

The Milk Marketing Board says the UK produces a fifth of a ton of milk per head per year, I can't imagine where it all gets used. That's on top of what the calves get.

NotToday · Post by **NotToday** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:56 pm

Well, I'm sorry Spot is getting grief,

however, I'm happy the focus has been turned from my silly statement about milk and butter in the UK

Thanks for sticking up for me Spot! lol

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:21 am

Hugh Janus;613017 wrote: It's getting to be a real problem in our inner cities. Butter dealers are springing up on all the street corners. It has even been suggested that they have been seen giving it to schoolkids, in the hope that they will become butter adicts. It is also a fact of life that we now see people openly drinking milk, without even having the decency to hide the carton in a brown paper bag. Oh how times have changed...:sneaky:

:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

Sorry to laugh, well not really! Bless your heart NT - I think it's funny how we have thse mis-conceptions of each others lives and countries. But you have really made my day!!!!!!!

randall · Post by **randall** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:30 am

:-6

Under a food minister, Virginia something or other, we in Britain started to take our cholestral levels seriously and on top of that she claimed that ALL eggs contain Salmoonella.

I have been on ships where the captain would not allow either

onboard - cling film was also banned because it was spoosed to transmit cancer causing chemicals to the food wrapped inside it - true, to, but in very small amounts.

She turned out to be partially right in every claim so at least we were not harmed by following her advice.

God Bless

randall

:)

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randall · Post by **randall** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:48 am

:-6

Thanks a million Bez, it is good to know that some of the old acquaintances are still around.

I never thought that it would take so long to recover from double pneumonia but it does. Age I suppose.

My lung capacity is still under 4/5ths of what it was last November. They measure everything these days.

Helen recovered much more quickly but her family has a very long history pf Bronchities, etc. it never, ever seems to leave them. So she is just "normal".

She is away on a bus run with "The Royal Natrional Mission To Deepsea Fisherment."

Can you recommedn a booklet - or website - that tels me exactly in words of one syallble how to connect properly and set up my computer for e-mail. I never seem to get it right. Some go - others don't - it is infuriating.

God bless.

randall

:)

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:54 am

randall;613114 wrote: :-6

Under a food minister, Virginia something or other, we in Britain started to take our cholestral levels seriously and on top of that she claimed that ALL eggs contain Salmoonella.

You might be talking about Virginia Bottom.

However, the minister who made the faux pas about eggs was Edwina Currie, who also disgraced herself by having an affaire with John Major. She was forced to resign over the eggs, and spilt the beans about her affaire in her diaries. What a POS.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:56 am

I'm so glad you're improving after being so ill, Randall. Take care of yourselves.

I remember John Major's face when Virginia published her memoirs. Utterly contentedly smug, that best describes it. "All those years you thought I was tame and now look" - he might as well have said it outright.

Virginia's problem - as far as eggs and milk and clingfilm go - is that she was technically right but not the right person to say so. The Chief Medical Officer, maybe, but not the Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries. If she'd said the problems combined killed as many as 5% of the numbers dying in car crashes she'd have been more politic. It might be worth addressing at some level but there's bigger issues.

eta: I just saw Bill's post and yes, of course it was. Oops. For "Virginia" read "Edwina", throughout.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:01 am

randall;613117 wrote: Can you recommedn a booklet - or website - that tels me exactly in words of one syallble how to connect properly and set up my computer for e-mail. I never seem to get it right. Some go - others don't - it is infuriating.May I suggest that you look on http://mail.google.com/mail/signup and make a gmail account for yourself? It's very reliable, and you read and write emails with your browser. I've used it a lot while travelling as well as at home.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:02 am

spot;613123 wrote: Edwina's problem - as far as eggs [...] go - is that she was technically right

Her words were wrong. She said "most", when she should have said "many". That's what cooked her goose.

suilunguk · Post by **suilunguk** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:38 am

Hiya,

You can buy real butter just as easily. Most people dont use it any more as margarine is cheaper and people have been convinced that margarine is much more healthier than real butter.

Claire

Post by **spot** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:49 am

Bill Sikes;613130 wrote: Her words were wrong. She said "most", when she should have said "many". That's what cooked her goose.What Edwina said was that "most of the egg production in this country, sadly, is now affected with salmonella". What "most" and "affected" meant depends rather on what you look at. External contamination of shells doesn't lead, in most cases, to internal contamination of the foodstuff. The other issue is whether you measure harmful levels of salmonella, externally or internally, or whether you count even one organism (which is practically incapable of causing illness) as a positive hit.

Here's an indication of what levels were like in the 80s. It's figures from Denmark rather than the UK, but UK figures are, I find, hard to come by. Isn't that a surprise.Wegener (2003) reported on results from a Danish program aimed at eradicating Salmonella from chicken flocks. Since 1988, positive chicken flocks have been slaughtered at the end of the day (logistic slaughtering). This coupled with programs rewarding farmers to produce Salmonella free chicken resulted in a reduction in Salmonella positive flocks from 65% in 1988-1989 to 5% in 2000. The incidence of human salmonellosis due to Salmonella Enteritidis in Denmark has reduced from approximately 2600 cases in 1998 to approximately 600 cases in 2004 according to Danish Gastroenteritis Monitor (http://www.ssi.dk/germ/sent.htm accessed 31/8/2005).

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:54 am

suilunguk;613136 wrote:

You can buy real butter just as easily.

From a stupour-market near you:

Anchor Butter 250g £0.84 (£3.36/kg)

Anchor Butter 500g £1.58 (£3.16/kg)

Anchor Spreadable 500g £1.86 (£3.72/kg)

Country Life Butter 250g £0.71 (£2.84/kg)

Country Life Spreadable 500g £1.74 (£3.48/kg)

Country Life Unsalted Butter 250g £0.81 (£3.24/kg)

Kerry Garlic Butter Handi Pack 4x20g £0.64 (£8.00/kg)

Kerrygold Pure Irish Butter 250g £0.74 (£2.96/kg)

Kerrygold Softer Butter 250g £0.88 (£3.52/kg)

Kerrygold Softer Lighter Butter 250g £0.98 (£3.92/kg)

Lurpak Butter Slightly Salted 250g £0.97 (£3.88/kg)

Lurpak Butter Unsalted 250g £0.98 (£3.92/kg)

Lurpak Lighter Spreadable 250g £0.98 (£3.92/kg)

President Unsalted Butter 250g £0.90 (£3.60/kg)

Tesco English Butter Salted 250g £0.58 (£2.32/kg)

Tesco English Butter Unsalted 250g £0.71 (£2.84/kg)

Tesco English Slighlty Salted Butter 250g £0.65 (£2.60/kg)

Tesco Finest Brittany Butter 250g £0.98 (£3.92/kg)

Tesco Finest Cornish Butter 250g £1.09 (£4.36/kg)

Tesco Organic Butter 250g £0.87 (£3.48/kg)

Tesco Organic Unsalted Butter 250g £0.95 (£0.38/100g)

Tesco Value Butter 250g £0.53 (£2.12/kg)

Tesco Value Unsalted Butter 250g £0.53 (£2.12/kg)

Yeo Valley Organic British Butter 250g £1.28 (£5.12/kg)

Yeo Valley Organic Spreadable Butter 500g £2.39 (£4.78/kg)

Yeo Valley Organic Unsalted Butter 250g £1.29 (£5.16/kg)

There are shedloads of other greases and fats which purport to replace butter, as well.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 15, 2007 6:03 am

Bill Sikes;613145 wrote: There are shedloads of other greases and fats which purport to replace butter, as well.Not so many choices as there used to be though. There's a reference on http://shire.org.uk/news/200410/body.htm to "horrible-tasting post-war whale-oil margarine" being consumed not five miles from where I sit. You can't buy that any longer.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue May 15, 2007 6:04 am

spot;613142 wrote: Here's an indication of what levels were like in the 80s. It's figures from Denmark rather than the UK, but UK figures are, I find, hard to come by.

The trouble is, Denmark is not the UK.

A casual look on the 'net reveals:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1162435.stm

"Saturday, 10 February, 2001, 00:40 GMT Salmonella infection cases drop

[...]

Last year there were 14,845 reported cases of salmonella in England and Wales compared to 32,596 in 1997.

In 1985 there were 13,330 cases of the food poisoning, which is often caused by eating infected poultry or undercooked eggs."

It doesn't say a lot, but at least there's something.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 15, 2007 6:10 am

I haven't the least doubt that what she actually said was strictly true, she's scarcely likely to have invented what her advisers had reported. Her problem was that her vague wording was transmuted in headlines from "egg production" to "eggs". Once a headline's screamed one can rarely return to mere facts.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue May 15, 2007 6:11 am

Hm. OT, but I thought you were Ales Berry? Hmm, I must lay off the gin...

Post by **spot** » Tue May 15, 2007 6:14 am

Bill Sikes;613155 wrote: Hm. OT, but I thought you were Ales Berry? Hmm, I must lay off the gin...Been there. Done that. Bristol's my home town.

venus · Post by **venus** » Tue May 15, 2007 7:04 am

Hugh Janus;613017 wrote: It's getting to be a real problem in our inner cities. Butter dealers are springing up on all the street corners. It has even been suggested that they have been seen giving it to schoolkids, in the hope that they will become butter adicts. It is also a fact of life that we now see people openly drinking milk, without even having the decency to hide the carton in a brown paper bag. Oh how times have changed...:sneaky:

that is classic!!!:wah:

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Tue May 15, 2007 7:47 am

Try Butter with sex , both cover each other with butter and , well I wont say any more I will get banned :driving:

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue May 15, 2007 8:01 am

Soberano;613258 wrote: Ah, so that is what people mean when they say they have buttered the wife up.

:wah:
:wah: :wah:

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Tue May 15, 2007 8:49 am

Is this where we milk this thread for all its worth??

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue May 15, 2007 8:51 am

WonderWendy3;613287 wrote: Is this where we milk this thread for all its worth??
One question I can't believe hasn't been asked in this thread.

Do they refrigerate butter in the UK?

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Tue May 15, 2007 8:52 am

YZGI;613289 wrote: One question I can't believe hasn't been asked in this thread.

Do they refrigerate butter in the UK?

Gee, dunno....maybe we should start a thread about it???:sneaky:

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Tue May 15, 2007 9:24 am

NotToday;612993 wrote: I made myself look like a complete idiot at work today.

For whatever reason, I thought milk was a lot more expensive and harder to come by in the UK.

Don't ask.

Correct me if I'm wrong, is real butter hard to come by over there?

Please tell me I didn't imagine the whole thing...

I am so glad I am not the only person with foot in mouth disease

That was almost as bad as when I asked folks here what 'meatloaf' was

I have a trusted few now that get these random PM's from me (thanks guys):rolleyes:

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Tue May 15, 2007 9:37 am

YZGI;613289 wrote:

Do they refrigerate butter in the UK?

no, they don't have refrigerators either!

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue May 15, 2007 9:40 am

sunny104;613332 wrote: no, they don't have refrigerators either!

Do they still ride their horses on the left hand side of the road?

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Tue May 15, 2007 9:42 am

YZGI;613334 wrote: Do they still ride their horses on the left hand side of the road?

In the middle, we don't have road markings

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:41 am

A history Lesson for all you American Hicks and Hillbillies :p Read and inwardly digest

1..Swords are worn on left side.

2..Daggers are worn in right boot.

3..Bows are slung over left shoulder

4..The Lord of the Manor gets first bite of any brides cherry on her wedding night

5..Chamber pots must be emptied out of bedroom window before 7.0 am

6.. Hunting of the kings deer carries a death sentence.

7..All children over the age of 4 must be sent up chimneys with brush

There is more but that will do for now as some of you may not be good with your letters :-2

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:55 am

posted by uncle fester

7..All children over the age of 4 must be sent up chimneys with brush

Not any more-ever since maggie shut all the coal mines we don't have any coal to burn. I've tried using windpower to keep the electric fire going but it's not the same as a real fire, solar power is a real waste of time.

suilunguk · Post by **suilunguk** » Tue May 15, 2007 12:18 pm

Well answering another one of your questions you refridgerate all dairy products:-3 , i am sure America will catch on to this idea soon.:sneaky: We dont have to ask questions about your daily living as there is another series of Beverley hillbillies on tv at the moment.

Claire

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Tue May 15, 2007 12:35 pm

Soberano;613477 wrote: Now you mention it, YZGI looks quite a lot like Jed Clampett.

You ever go shooting for food and find oil YZGI? :wah:

:wah:

When I was pregnant with my first son, I wanted to name him Isaiah, so we decided that would be his middle name and we didn't want him to be the third, because his Dad is a Jr. .....So, I was teasing him (Dad to be) that he was such a hillbilly that he would name his kid something like "Jed Clampett"....(I didn't realize that he was really a red-neck, in those days I didn't know the difference...I sure do now....geesh!!)

Ummmmm, My son's name is JED ISAIAH!!! NO joke, named after Jed Clampet...okay resume laughing now....it's funny...go ahead...:wah:

Post by **spot** » Tue May 15, 2007 12:39 pm

No menfolk should be allowed to name their childern. I certainly wasn't.