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Mickiel;1429289 wrote: I think any bible that has eternal hell suffering in it is corrupt. Welcome back.

My understanding is only 1000 years and then the second death and what version/s do not have this in them?

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<r>greetings brother , why do you say most bibles are corrupt? Have you compared them with the Qumran cave scrolls? Do you think God cannot protect the integrity of his word? Yes I have been away from this forum a long time but I am back now <E>:-)</E> 
 
Mickiel;1428672 wrote: There are so ...

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<t>Mickiel;1388740 wrote: Salvation and the destiny of humanity. 
 
 
Thanks again, ditto foer the good list of hostorians, I agree with your concusion but wih a few reservations. For example the whole book is not Historical as plenty is actually prophetic or musical praise such as ...

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<t>Thank you for sharing that. God is especially fond of you and wishes you to mak fruit foe him but how? ONly God has the answer but cannot hear him yet. 
 
Do you know Misler has lots of vidoes on you tube regarding the Bible. Also if you type Willima lane craig into bethinking.org,s ...

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Great, would you care to shae any feedback on them and where you are now in your spiritual journey?

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wonderful. I am sure you will find at least some of them interesting indeed

God bless you

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<t>You are quite correct that it is up to God when but also know that it is when you are hungry enough for truth that God recognises your heart is ready. It is also the case that to really understand the Bible one needs the gift of the Holy spirit inside onself which gives wisdom. 
 
there ...

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IT is way more than quite something dear friend it is litlertally out of this world and yes I mean literally absolutely literally.

Anyway the frst step is to acknoledge Jesus as your saviour and ask his forgiveness of all your sins. why wait for one day?

God bless you

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Mickiel;1387564 wrote: I do hope that one day God shifts all of our gears in a unified mass ralley. That last Great Day.

amen to that but get to know Jesus brov!

Bless you

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Christianity of course without eveidence is great as it is with pure faith

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Thanks

so you believe already?

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<t>Mickiel;1372213 wrote: In John 10:10 Jesus said that he came so that humanity could have life and have it abundantly. Why would he say that if he knew that God would condemn the vast majority of humanity to death or torture? No , one of the reasons Jesus came to earth was to give humanity a far ...

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<t>Your most welcome 
 
check out this excellent scietific philosophic debater here: bethinking.org - Bible + Jesus - "The Evidence for Christianity" Reasonable Faith Lecture, All Souls Church, London. 
 
just scroll down a little and you can listen to this 
 
God bless you ...

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<t>Thank you Mikiel again. 
 
It is a very good definition of the well understood meaning of faith. You obviously have a good intellect. Do you thank our King for that gift? 
 
Just to share with you my latest Revelation on what is faith for me but I also say your follow on post ...

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Thank you so much Mikiel

firstly I would like to know how you understand the word Faith?

Is that ok?

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<t>Mickiel;1369621 wrote: I have already deabated you in the past, and discussed scripture. I learned then that we simply hold different understandings; and I accept that, you just don't for some reason. I already know how you think. I am sure there are plenty of people on this website that are egar ...

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<t>Mickiel;1369497 wrote: I hold no interest in the exaltation of those groups that have faith, I am interested in those who do not have faith, like myself. I have discovered that we faithless people have a place in Gods heart too. That we, like the Faithful, have a prodical son father who plans on ...

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<t>Mickiel;1369460 wrote: So many religious people seem to think that it up to " Them" to save humanity, that " They" can convert others. Not understanding that Christ sealed Salvation, its a pre done deal. 
 
And its the deal of the century. 
Indeed it is the deal of the millennium and ...

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<t>Mickiel;1368891 wrote: In Isaiah 49:6, latter part of verse;" So that my Salvation may reach to the end of the earth." I think God and Christ have spread Salvation all over the earth, like we would spread mayonaise on a sandwich. Just complettely cover it. Engulfed this planet with it. So then ...

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<t>Mickiel;1367960 wrote: A covenant is basically a contract; an agreement between God and man. God actually agreed that his son be killed in order to pay for humanitys sins. I look at all the sarcasm that some Atheist spew out, all the horrible insults they spit at God, well Jesus has them covered ...

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<t>freethinkingthuthseeker;1366609 wrote: I have added to this including his post with my comments added: 
 
Answer to spot on forum Garden point by point - my answers in italics ( actually Gods inspired words) 
 
That’s a perfectly fair request. Would you rather I wait for a ...

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<t>Ahso!;1366087 wrote: This thread is a classic. I decided to highlight what I'm addressing because I believe I'd feel guilty erasing any of this post (the same goes for a few others Spot crafted in this thread). 
 
My question is, Spot: if not Jesus, then who narrates or authors this story ...

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<r>yaaarrrgg;1338879 wrote: To be fair, the reason people think this is because that's exactly what the Bible says Hell is. 
 
If your interpretation is correct, then God is extremely unskilled in expressing Himself in words. Who's wrong then? The people who interpret the words according ...

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<t>koan;1338869 wrote: Interesting, I always called that burning feeling indigestion because someone was annoying me at the time. 
 
 
Yes it is interesting 
 
consider that not all feelings of extreme frustration amount to indigestion in many people and this is of course the ...

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spot;1338867 wrote: People might have trouble with the word "one" so close to the word "eternity", I know I do.

So what is your lack of understanding here dear friend?

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Now I see no one has come back on this

Frightened of the Good Light?

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<t>Pls tell me where I stated I do not believe in the NT or even parts of it. Perhaps you have me mixed me up with someone else? 
 
Where is your love? Your messages come accross as if you are angry with respect, 
 
What does your philosophy say is the source of evil as you have not ...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1355193 wrote: What are your babbleing about now as always with christians you hide behind the facade of the bible telling you this with no more evidence to know that what you know that what you read in the bible that someone wrote down, about what someone said, about what some guy ...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1355155 wrote: What are you talking about please show me where in buddhist doctrine it is seen as o.k. to resort to violence, name a war in the name of Buddha? If anything buddhist have been on the recieving end of violence, some of which violence is too much for some practitioners ...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1354997 wrote: By saying God tells you that this book is actually how things are, where God doesn't tell me that, or God tells this person that no that is how things happened, God tells this person that no this is how it happened. Is Hiding the fact that either A there is no God, B ...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1354960 wrote: Hiding behind a facade of "God told me", "I know God better" does not make the OT or New T any more real, More to the point much like the Myths i talk about " Which origins date back before the OT of moses, Noah if anything the stories of the OT and New T where ...

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<t>Ahso!;1349237 wrote: Jesus dead? There are a lot of dead people who were named Jesus, but the one read of from the Christian bible never existed. Outside the biblical story, there is not one morsel of evidence of this person. One would think with all the uproar and commotion this person ...

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<t>Open mind, you have raised severl assertions so I have copied and pasted your answer with my responses in italics point by point for convenience: 
 
Although DNA is amazing, it does not mean that it was designed by a superbeing such as a god. Particles are attracted to other particles ...

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<t>gmc;1349134 wrote: Long but interesting 
 
YouTube - Eye2EyeIIV's Channel 
 
posting by freedomthinkingthuthseeker 
 
 
 
All it boils down to you have no proof but you prefer to believe there is a god. You have no reasonable arguments to put for your belief ...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1349107 wrote: Why then if your going to present the logic of the red sea being a tidally cause phenomena rather than an act of god parting it, and say that the bible is more about the overall moral messages and central themes. Why then is Evolution not viable as well instead of it ...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1349060 wrote: Why would I debate human logic when pertaining to a book containing, mythic logic themes ressurections, river seperation, talking burning bushes, ectera it would be a waste of my time, and would be a wast of yours as I don't have the belief or that such things ...

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<t>yaaarrrgg;1349043 wrote: You really want to give God the credit for designing things like cancer and disease? Or designing the mechansims that pass these diseases (or propensity of disease) from the mother to infant? A lot of so called "design" is honestly terrible from an engineering standpoint ...

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<t>gmc;1348987 wrote: freethinkingthuthseeker 
 
 
 
It's exactly that kind of nonsensical belief that is the problem. 
 
***I note merely that you have not compared the prophecies in the Bible with world history 
 
 
 
Very true and congratulations for not ...

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<t>yaaarrrgg;1348957 wrote: This is a misunderstanding of science. The way science works is very much like a process of evolution. You take several theories, subject them to stress, and pick the strongest explanation. The "science" that remains is just the best theory that explains the fossil record ...

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<t>OpenMind;1348948 wrote: I wish I had something to add here. However, I find that whatever I have to add would just be another drop in the ocean. It is scary because there is no argument here. Just lots of people saying, "This is how it is and you're wrong" [my quote.] 
 
This occurs in ...

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<t>OpenMind;1348948 wrote: I wish I had something to add here. However, I find that whatever I have to add would just be another drop in the ocean. It is scary because there is no argument here. Just lots of people saying, "This is how it is and you're wrong" [my quote.] 
 
This occurs in ...

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<r>yaaarrrgg;1348845 wrote: On your view, how do you determine the time it took for God to create humans? Did it take God less than a second to create humans? Or several minutes? Or years? Or millions of years? 
 
If you don't have a way to pinpoint this time, it's impossible to be sure that ...

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<t>gmc;1348829 wrote: IMO probably the greatest threat to world peace is a religious revival, not just in the middle east. Christian against muslim is a war we should not be fighting in an age when most people in the world are actually secular. We've got a newly assertive catholic church stirring ...

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<t>gmc;1348735 wrote: No need I have actually read it although it was some time ago. I'm afraid I came to the conclusion the creation account was a fairy tale quite some time ago. I find it incredible that anyone can take it literally in this day and age and just as incredible that someone can ...

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<t>gmc;1348725 wrote: Exactly the point. Beget means to generate or procreate. If Jesus is his only begotten son then all his other children must be female. If we are all the children of god presumably we were begotten by him so if he has only one son--- 
 
*** except that the words only or ...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1348690 wrote: There you go again with that faith, faithful stuff which is exactly what I said, you have the "Faith" that what is in the dead sea scrollls, the bible, ect is an accout of historical events and words we should read as if we were being taught from a history book ...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1348504 wrote: Wrong again! the bible exist, just in your reality it is the unalterd, tale of historical events wrote down as they happened some 1000-3000 years ago. In my reality they are based on very few actual events in history that over time were streched, glorified, changed ...

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gmc;1348515 wrote: If, as the bible claims, Jesus is the only begotten son of god, and we are all god's children. Does that mean we are all female?

No the emphasis in on the first two words, particualrly the second - Only BEGOTTEN

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<t>littleCJelkton;1348504 wrote: Wrong again! the bible exist, just in your reality it is the unalterd, tale of historical events wrote down as they happened some 1000-3000 years ago. In my reality they are based on very few actual events in history that over time were streched, glorified, changed ...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1348179 wrote: [QUOTE=freethinkingthuthseeker;1348165] 
 
 
 
There is no debate or discussion. The evidence and facts that the "Word" or rather the book that the "Word" comes from is Fiction does not exist in your reality, and in mine the faith that you have to ...

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